Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? Sig can burn for all I care. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. Dont care for them, not my jam. ALL OF THEM. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. Fundamentally, the bits that the ambulance chaser claims are flawed function exactly the same way as a S&W M&P. So are dumb(or arrogant) cops. It SHOULD have more engagement width wise, but often doesnt due to things being rounded or out of square. I carry one in my front pocket routinely. Stinking Lawyers and quota cops. Funny how that works. The Hide Armory. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! Its difficult to believe thats a coincidence. And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. Mine is very accurate. They are plaintiffs versions of what they say happened. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. Weird how that might happen. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, No autographs, No self taken pictures. I still own them all. They admitted their problem and fixed it. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! These lawsuits arent about Sig making a defective weapon, theyre about lawyers building a nationwide consensus in civil trial that makes it easier (and more lucrative) to soak gunmakers. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. First off, no joke on me. Upgrades are for things that didnt work right in the first place. -You plan on getting rid of your P320, great! Using an example from the first prong, we legitimately fault the user who shot himself in the palm, rightfully asking why in the WORLD his palm was in front of the muzzle when he set the gun down. Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. Sig P320 discharge while holstered | Sniper's Hide Forum Asking for a friend. What exactly did Harrison mean by legal momentum? That isnt clear, but its easy to make an educated guess. Anyway around here they do. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. Plastic crap! This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. PSA-P320 Accidental Discharge Threads | SIG Talk There were a lot of changes. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. Fine. And I suspect at end of day this recent P320 one will be identified as a negligent discharge or from weapons from 2017 where owners failed to . And thats just my opinion. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong - CBC Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. Fair enough. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. The details are not out yet, but they use Glocks, and I will make a good bet that her trigger finger did the deed. Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. The heads up testing was immediately finished the Sig was the winner. He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. The Glock fails on both counts. RKC, the first time someone presented me with a 1911 whose trigger rivaled my Pythons single action, I started wondering about that. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. NEWINGTON - A Hillsboro man is suing Newington gunmaker Sig Sauer alleging his Sig P320 pistol fired, without him pulling the trigger, causing a bullet to be discharged into his thigh. The settlement requires the gunmaker to reimburse owners of . And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. So even if, as the ambulance chaser claims, the striker leg could vibrate off of the sear face, it could not discharge unless the drop safety was also disengaged because the drop safety prevents movement of the striker sufficient to make the firing pin protrude from the breech face. There was nothing wrong with the Glock action, it was a training issue. 1) The p320 doesnt hold the striker fully to the rear. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. three changes to the original design. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. Im more of a DS9 guy. It was expensive. Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. Before the madness SIGS were expensive. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. They habitually use their customers as the product testers by selling what are essentially prototypes while quietly implementing rolling revisions. If its not legal momentum, it would have to be some other mechanism of failure.. MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging By Tom Knighton | 11:30 AM on October 30, 2021 AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Several years ago, there was an issue discovered with the. Some of the plaintiffs claim the pistol can fire without the trigger even being touched. But breaking news here, skippy. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. Ive seen similar situations at our Municipal range. Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer and injured a director with a prop gun on the set of the film "Rust" and the distraught actor repeatedly asked afterwards why he . Sig Sauer P320 [Review+Video]: Worth It? - Pew Pew Tactical Sig Sauer lawsuit: Man charged in wife's shooting death blames gun Thats why the US Marines have Sigs. We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. Misfires and Lawsuits Plague Sig Sauer P320 Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. It was at that point that I knew the gun had a design flaw. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. Let us look at the history of other consumer products. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. Thats the same. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. This guy had been working at the LGS for over a decade and never had an AD or ND, he was the strictest when it came to safety. I could care but that came at the expense of reliability and safety. Theres a couple of possibilities. Maybe in South America a poor military did, but thatd be about it. I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. Its hard to say yet but with anything follow the basic safety rules. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. He quickly too quickly tried to pick up the gun from the floor before anyone could see it, and in his haste, he picked it up with his finger on the trigger and accidentally fired the gun. Companies stay silent Is there any major military anywhere that ever issued one of their guns? The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. JTF-2 is the only unit in. Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix. Sig Sauer to Settle Lawsuit Over Alleged Safety Glitch in P320 Pistol I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. The Collette suit, for example, lists 39 such discharges, all but five of which involved law enforcement officers. I lost $150 dumping that gun and Sig instead of acknowledging that it had a problem and calling it a recall, denied all and everything and called it a voluntary upgrade., At my LGS a P320 just went off when one of the guys put it the counter when he set up a target. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. No picture for me. Use a proper holster and follow other gun safety protocols. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. So I think it is unconscionable, given the number of incidents of this gun defectively discharging without a trigger pull, would necessitate that someone order it to be recalled and only SIG can do that.. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. Sig P320 Accidental Discharge 2021 Perhaps nothing speaks more clearly to the need for a total recall than the fact that in 2021, over four years after Sig Sauer offered its voluntary upgrade, people are still suffering injuries and lawsuits continue to be filed. TTAG talked to Bagnell, who told us that he wants it to be known that he is not anti-gun and doesnt want to see more gun control laws in this country. And have the dropping 320 go off? Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. The clearest memory I have about the many people experiencing post-upgrade discharges is a cop who set his P320 on a table, and several seconds after letting go, IT DISCHARGED ON ITS OWN! With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment. there is no better.
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