But I think I was still loading the cases from that first box when I quit loading 18 years later! When I finally got my hands on a pound of Bullseye, I naturally started with some of these loads. (Cowboy Action) 38 Special (Cowboy Action) 38-40 Win. Honestly, plated bullets won't give you the level of accuracy needed for bullseye competition, even at 25 yards. Just shows the importance of trying/checking the feel of a gun and if possible, test firing it, before you buy it. Soft shooting. Give me a .38 Special Recipe Please | Ruger Forum Help with 38 Special Load with Bullseye - The Firing Line Forums 2, No. I prefer the slower burning Unique, and I also use it for .357 magnum, just more of it. I make a habit of counting the number of reloads I make by keeping a tally of primer and bullet boxes. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. Most modern revolvers chambered for .38 SPL are rated to +P, so there is room for error, but care must still be taken. In my time spent with the .38, I have come to greatly appreciate it for what it is and does. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. Reloading Data .38 Special (Alliant Data) Metallic - Load Data Reloading for it came next and it has since become my favorite pistol cartridge. References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders Guide (1995) Hodgdons Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. Taurus model 66 38 special/Bullseye/125 berry's bullets load test Content . [.38 Special] is a very versatile and useful round. was a breeze. Choosing a bullet The only reason that my standard (everyday carry) self-defense handgun is not a .38 Special revolver is because I can conceal a semi-auto better (it isnt as fat as the cylinder on a revolver) and my semi-auto has 15 rounds of hard-hitting 180 grain bullets. Going up to 3.9 Gr for +P. My son asked if I wanted him to help, then fired one shot and handed it back. LOL. Bullseye Handgun Powders Smokeless pistol powder Billions of rounds have been loaded with Bullseye since it was introduced in 1913. Like Wobbly. The gun has appeared on TTAG before and has remained unchanged as far as accessories. I stopped handloading around 1985, so Im not certain how much technology has changed in that area, but in general it sounds like our experiences are similar. Hodgdon gives starting load of 4.0 grains and 4.4 grains MAX. You are spot on about Trail Boss, that stuff is magical with cast reloads. In my area, Bullseye is one of the first powders to disappear from shelves, lasting about a heartbeat longer than an econo bulk box of .22 Long Rifle ammunition. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. In terms of thousands of rounds of range practice, though, that is a definite no-go in my book. for 38 special My usual 38 Spl load is a 125 gr plated bullet over 5 grains of bullseye. This load is in the general velocity bracket with most generic or bulk box 115-grain loads and zings over my chronograph at 1,125 to 1,140 fps from a Glock 17, depending on bullet style. I had ammo for some friends as low as 600 fps. If there is a search function for these forums (didn't see one) I'd be happy to use that too Go to the Alliant website and find the data for Unique and Bullseye. Super-Accurate .38 Super Loads - Shooting Times It also shows that the loads were established using a 6" barrel, so regardless of what any published data shows, the chances of ever finding published data for the exact projectile and barrel length you are using, as well as the exact conditions you will be shooting in, would be nearly impossible. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck.. Rookie, back in the day when I was reloading I went through a 3 round butt L. Horton special model 24, a 4 24 and a 4 624. Swaged bullets do not have the hardness of poured (cast) lead. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Hence I carry a semi-auto pistol chambered in .40 S&W. The .327 Fed Mag is IT! I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. The .44 spl. Since it hit the market 103 years ago, it has been a staple for most handloaders and the backbone of most accuracy loads in the popular calibers. The big medicine was delivered by a 1911, but S&W K frames (favorites were Models 12 & 64) took care of everything else. The other .38 Special is a 4 Colt Diamondback. I tried 10 shots of each: 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.7. Initially I shot them out of my Dads prized Smith & Wesson 686 and learned a great deal about double-action shooting and what a truly accurate handgun can do with a wadcutter. I have 125 grain jacketed bullets, Bullseye powder and CCI 500 primers. I will always love the 38 SPL (never cared much for 357 Mag), but that 3 seven shot Charter with both 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R Mag is truly the bees knees. And, oh yeah. I use CCI Snake shot for two and Buffalo Bore short Barrel 130 gr. Or does the CMP make the rules for DR, and the NRA admins it? June 13, 2016 in 9mm/38 Caliber. At one time or another, I also owned and shot a M38 Bodyguard (nka the 638), a M37 Chiefs Special (now the 637), a M60 (which is a tad heavier but no more user-friendly), and a couple of others. 9 and others like 2400 that are generally used for magnums). Therefore, .38 Special +P ammo can be as much as 17.5 percent hotter than standard .38 Special. head I use 3.2gr. I found it to be a nice blend of accuracy, soft recoil, and sure functioning, with enough spice behind it to reliably topple steel targets. These bullets shot to point of aim in modern S&W snubbies, but the older M10-5 was regulated with 158 grain bullets and 125's shoot low. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. Bullseye is the classic pistol powder and the backbone of many pet loads. As a young man, I came into a couple of cases of hand-me-down factory mid-range wadcutters. Be careful !!!! A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion. Any pistol competitions yet? The trigger has smoothed out over time. The load you use will be up to your gun. How Do I Choose Good Self-Defense Ammo For My Handgun? These two can cover the entire performance spectrum up to .38+P. I found some data for 148 and 158 gr bullets but no published data on the 125s. I never really set my sights, in a manner of speaking, on the .38 cartridge like I did other rounds. 2.) Alliant Powder - Bullseye Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. I may have to rethink my plan. This wire is then fed into a machine called a cold header. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. All the data says this should be an OK load , even "mid-range" for non +p. Different colors can be used to identify different loads and since bottom of each bullet is also powder coated, there is less lead dispersed in the air at the shooting range. Bullseye and NRA Distinguished Revolver 2 and No. I dunno. 357 Magnum 35,000 I shoot a Glock 21, and had a great time shooting some poly coated 230 grain round noses today. I love a nice, full-size .357 Magnum on the range because it is so easy to train new shooters on. That revolver is aluminum and cannot handle the pressure of 9MM. Jack it up a notch and go with .327 Federal Magnum. 2.7 gr. Would .44 Special be somewhat similar to .38, in terms of ease of reloading, case life, etc.? Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. is a good place to start. Ive probably picked up 300 cases of .38 the past few months and will continue to grab them as I see them, but whats nice is I can shoot more and put that money towards brass for .32 or .45 Colt, stuff that I never see at the range. Were all familiar with the old adage, Never bring a knife to a gunfight. And while we should, The active shooter is a relatively new phenomenon in the grand scheme of things. Its the only gun that has appreciated in value (as long as you ignore inflation). If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Just an FYI. Have a Tritium sight and laser on it to boot. Its just two lubed balls on top of each other with the top ball roll crimped just past the hemisphere. Best and most realistic article about the .38 special ive found. 38 Special 158gr. JHP Load? | Glock Talk Hornady Wow I learned something vital from this topic. Bullseye is the best powder I have found for 38 special. These are put into a large hydraulic press and extruded into a continuous coil of wire. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 5.0 gr unique with berry's 125gr = .38 Special squibs (solved ! Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but its better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. May 15, 2012. kc2za said: Hi All, I have been loading .38 spl with 2.7 gr. I carried a lightly customized 4 inch heavy barrel model 10 for years, with a black cerakote job. I miss those days. Modern .38 spl std HP load is more than enough, dont over think it. There have been guns Ive bought for the caliber, but the .38 wasnt one of those. hebyta Titegroup and 125gr 38 Special Load Data 9 mm, .40 sw, 45 acp, .44 mag. Its the kind of load that will make you fall in love with the 1911 all over again! 7, No. I load these bullets to the edge of the shoulder and use anywhere from 3-4 grains of TB. It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. When I teach other people the basics of reloading, I teach them on the .38 SPL. Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. With the powders you listed I would try Bullseye, 231, and Unique in that order. Reduce by 10% to establish a starting charge weight. Minnesota. That blunt-ended bullet cut a clean hole all the way through whatever its modest velocity allowed it to penetrate. I simply took mixed brass and ran em through the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP press with the bare minimum preparation. Accurate's No. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:00 am, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:36 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:46 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:45 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:50 pm. The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. 3.8 gr. Battis, if you go to the very bottom of this page you will see Castpics. .38 Special (Alliant Data) Warning! I load rounds for my wife to shoot @ Win 231 4.0 to 4.3 gr. Zero 158 grain swaged SWC, Starline brass, Winchester or Federal primer, 2.8 grains of Bullseye, roll crimp. I have found that some powder coated bullets which are the same weight as lead, feel quite punchy out of the gun. You will be, essentially, making 38 Short Colt. Send the cylinder out to get cut for moon clips and adapted to 9mm, so you can shoot both 38/357/9mm and use all on moon clips. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. I have often thought about reloading .357 brass to .38 special velocities to get around that, but have just never decided to actually do it. .38 Special: What I've Learned After 20,000 Rounds Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. Thanks to all for the info. 3.) During my first half century on this planet, my caliber of choice for defense was 45 ACP- but for everything else it was always 38 SPL. When using a 158 gr. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. I just got some clays which I heard was very clean burning compare to bullseye. I have several manuals and some say that this load is a low +p, some say it is not, but it is very accurate. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. The more serious concern for some loaders is that the small charges of fast-burning powder take up little room in the case, making it possible to double charge a cartridge and exceed safe pressure. I could knock out a pretty substantial chunk of my shooting needs with only these three loads. He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations. But its also worth considering that its pushing the same size and weight projectile at the same velocity as the standard Army revolver load during the Civil War. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. ES 56 SD 24 PMC Eldorado Starfire +P 125 gr. I started loading .38s with a Lyman nut cracker and a home made measure for Bullseye over 65 years ago. Tim: The Lyman 49th edition lists the accuracy loads for their cast bullets. I can get away with using it as cast w/ alox. Ideal load in a 2 J Frame .38. My sq. I did find a 145 grain Lead HP with a rounded ogive (like the last NyClad) on Gunbroker that opens really well if you get above 800 fps. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. I once had to quote the South Carolina Supreme Court when they had spelled it loathe., Regards, I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. 38 special 125 grain load data unique - The Geocaching Junkie At belly button range, very nasty load. Posted: 4/17/2014 10:53:09 AM EST. I.E. Now, you have to go to a range or have a membership and pay to fill the backstop with lead. What sort of wildlife are you thinking would be a good application for this self-defense load? A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air. Haven't tried it in the Colt Officer's Model Match yet. Heck, 38s in a J frame arent fun- theres no way a 327 Mag isnt worse. Not as easy to find brass these days as it is not the most popular round anymore. This. There are so many new powders today, its hard to keep up. have been factored in, but Looks like starting with roughly 4.2 of W231. It would seem that a 125 grain GDHP is of the same weight and would have a similar profile to what you want to use. Never got around to trying the T grips. I can usually keep 1.5" groups with it at 25 yards if I do my part. There really is a recently developed technology that prevents leading, while eliminating messy lubricants. 3 gr of WST in a 38 spl case with 125 gr plated bullet is a very light load. Both are excellent fight stoppers. Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. Bullseye is primarily associated with .38 and .45after all, it says right on the bottle: Great for .38 Special and .45 Auto target loads. But it is equally at home in high-velocity auto loads. I first started reloading 40+ years ago at a Lee Loader in .38 Special for a brand new Smith & Wesson Model 66 I had just purchased. In one or two strokes, the bullet is formed ready for dip lubing. For me, the 32 H&R Mag is my 357 Mag, and the 32 S&W Long is my 38 SPL. Accurate, powder-puff recoil, and serious power all in one. So . Bullseye is the classic pistol powder and the backbone of many pet loads. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. My more serious RN is the 358311 that drops @150 gr. Id pay at least a dollar to see it. Paste as plain text instead, Bullet seating depth is very forgiving. 38 Special Loads - Bullseye Forum They are reliable accurate and deadly. Loading 38 special for best accuracy - Revolver Forum - Brian Enos's The majority of my shooting with .38 has taken place with soft lead bullets. 110gr JHP! 38 Special Load Data.. - Intoku.net - YUMPU i use a Lee mold 150 round nose with 4 grains of bullseye crimped into the crimp groove of the bullet. Top .38 Special Loads for Carry - Firearms News And yes I appreciate them for a hunting gun because of their fine accuracy and find trigger pulls (older classic guns). Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. ,I looked at Speer data, nothing there. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. Has anyone loaded 38 special with these compoments? As example, 5.8 6.0 grains UNIQUE with a 125 grain HP in a snub nose .357 revolver. My best group was .9 inch out of a Model 15.
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